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August 06, 2007

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lorien

Awesome, now I don't have to try making it only to discover I'd rather just buy the masa harina.

VMB

Years ago, standing over the miserable amoeba-shaped tortillas piled in my then-Midwestern kitchen, I learned to respect the skills of people who cook their food in ovens made of mud and dung. Culinary hubris at its finest. My cooking knowledge has exploded since then but I have never again made the mistake of taking for granted what other people--however "under-privileged" they may seem--make look so easy.

Tana

Please tell what is "nixtamalized" corn.

Thank you.

Jim

Nice. I love the stubborn determination all the way to tracking down a metate in Texas, preparing the corn and spending hours sweating into the corn.

But best of all is your great attitude when it didn't work out as hoped.

Inspiring dedication and even more inspiring acceptance of life's quirks.

tom

Tana:

Here's a link to the appropriate page in the repository of all human knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization

Steven Sando

The whole process was fun and I hope one day to be taught by a Mexican woman how to use the metate properly. I know they use it also for chiles so maybe that will be my next experiment. It looks 'tres jolie' in the garden, however!
Nixtamalization is the process of removing the skin of the corn with CaL, or lime. For some reason, I thought this would be the troublesome part and the grinding would be a breeze.
I really had thought of Maseca, the instant masa harina, as the devil but I do see where they fit in the scheme of things. I think the best thing would be to have a tortilleria that would sell masa or even a public mill for grinding your masa. I have a hunch these things aren't going to be happening in the states anytime soon.
The next question is would you pay for organic, non-GMO masa harina? People say they would but I suspect the price would be substantially higher than Maseca and I don't know if the flavor would be all that much different.

Steven Sando

The whole process was fun and I hope one day to be taught by a Mexican woman how to use the metate properly. I know they use it also for chiles so maybe that will be my next experiment. It looks 'tres jolie' in the garden, however!
Nixtamalization is the process of removing the skin of the corn with CaL, or lime. For some reason, I thought this would be the troublesome part and the grinding would be a breeze.
I really had thought of Maseca, the instant masa harina, as the devil but I do see where they fit in the scheme of things. I think the best thing would be to have a tortilleria that would sell masa or even a public mill for grinding your masa. I have a hunch these things aren't going to be happening in the states anytime soon.
The next question is would you pay for organic, non-GMO masa harina? People say they would but I suspect the price would be substantially higher than Maseca and I don't know if the flavor would be all that much different.

Marc

Do you not know about Primavera masa? It's USDA organic (and therefore GMO-free) and freshly milled in Agua Caliente (Sonoma County). A 2001 article from the Chronicle talks about their work ( http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/07/18/FD182361.DTL ).

I get it at the Berkeley Farmers Market on Saturdays. They might also have other outlets.

When not able to get fresh masa from Primavera, I buy it at Mexican groceries in the East Bay or S.F. Mi Tierra on San Pablo near University in Berkeley is a reliable weekend source for La Finca's fresh masa (para tortillas o para tamales). La Palma on 24th St. in the Mission is apparently a reliable source in the City.

Steven Sando

Well, we have non-GMO corn masa, too. I just wanted to do it at home. It's a special order item but we make our Rancho Gordo tortillas and the chips from real masa.
Double check on La Palma. I had a customer tell me the masa was made from masa harina. Hopefully they're wrong.

Marc

Steve,
Sorry I forgot about your company's tortillas. Now that I think back to my visit to your stand at the FPFM, I recall seeing them, but I'm guessing that your stand's amazing array of beans interfered with my brain's memory-making abilities that day, blocking out the torillas.

For readers interested in finding out more about the fresh masa vs. dry masa battle, "Que Vivan Los Tamales: Food and the Making of Mexican Identity" (in Steve's Book List on the left) has a bit of discussion on the topic (including fascinating details about the invention of tortilla making machines), as does a September 2006 article at Grist.

Link: http://www.grist.org/comments/food/2006/09/13/masa/index.html

Cyndi

Primavera masa is the best. I insist on non-GMO corn which means organic, and that's what they use. Only $1.50/lb for the finished masa. The masa harina is not very good, not organic, and does not work well for pupusas and other applications besides basic tortillas. Honestly, there's no comparison. Bob's Red Mill masa is better quality but not organic and not a sub for the real thing either. The non-organic ones give me a stomach ache but I can eat Primavera's all day.

They're 45 mins away from me, which is closer than almost anyone else in the country but still too far for a weekly fix. You can't freeze masa and the texture goes after a couple days (it's still good for a week at least but harder to work with). I was getting it special ordered to my local Whole Foods but WF decided to stop that service.

So now I want to make my own. I bought a 5 lb bag of organic whole dried field corn from Azure Standard for $3. I found your post because I'm looking for Cal in Sonoma County. But now I'm bummed that the food processor didn't work for you. I was inspired by Alton Brown too. I have a pretty good processor though and maybe that will make a difference. AB's masa did look right in his show. I doubt he faked it.

Whether it works or not, I'll blog it :-)

Steve Sando

Just need to make a slight correction. There are lots of people producing non-organic, non-GMO corn.

Hope the Alton Brown works for you.

Steve Sando

Cyndi had trouble updating her post so I'm doing it for her:

Hi Steve,

I'm trying to do a followup comment to your masa post but the software won't let me. It fills in my info automatically and lets me preview, but when I try to post it says it "can't accept this data." I tried it without the URL and that didn't work either.

The page is:
http://ranchogordo.typepad.com/rancho_gordo_experiments_/2007/08/making-masa-fro.html

And this is my comment:

Well, I made the masa. Twice. The food processor worked very well for me and the masa I got came out great. Here's the blog post, with tons of pictures, for anyone who is interested.

http://norwitz.net/blog/2009/09/04/masa-from-scratch/

Looking forward to hearing what you think.

Cyndi http://norwitz.net/

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